A Deep Dive with QrfUP

Empowering First Responders: The QRF Up Initiative with Ramseys

In this episode of 'Just a Girl and Her Firefighter,' host Kristi Hilmer speaks with Ramseys, the founder of QRF Up, an organization dedicated to providing holistic and immediate support to first responders and their families. Ramseys explains how their innovative SOS application works, enabling users to connect with licensed therapists and peer support within minutes. QRF Up addresses not only mental health needs but also provides physical assistance, creating a comprehensive safety net. The conversation delves into the origins, successes, and the impact of QRF Up, emphasizing the importance of empathy and continuous support for those who constantly face traumatic situations. Ramseys also discusses plans for expanding the initiative globally and how others can get involved.

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

01:00 Meet Ramsey: Founder of QRF Up

02:25 How QRF Up Works

05:40 The Origin Story of QRF Up

07:03 Challenges and Learnings from the Pilot Program

08:43 The Importance of Empathy and Compassion

13:26 Balancing Work and Home Life

18:39 Creating Safe Spaces for Emotions

19:08 Challenges in Providing Support

19:34 Importance of Trauma-Specific Therapists

20:18 Peer Support and Flexibility

22:21 Success Stories and Department Integration

24:19 Continuous Support and Mental Health

27:54 Family Involvement and Resources

29:30 Future Vision and Global Impact

31:01 Getting Involved and Expanding Support

32:27 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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Hello and welcome to just a girl and her firefighter. I'm Kristy Homer, your host. Grab your favorite drink, whether it's coffee, fizz, or maybe something else. And let's dive into the wild, wonderful world of first responder life. We are here to swap stories, share laughs, and tackle those. This really happen moments. Whether you're a seasoned pro or just figuring this all out, this is the place for you. So kick back, get comfy, and let's have some fun.

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Welcome. Well, today we get to chat with Ramseys, who is the owner and founder of QRF Up, which is an incredible organization that I'm super excited to hear more about, to learn from. And to really give this as a resource to so many first responders and their families in all the different ways. Like it's incredible. So welcome. I would love to have you introduce yourself and then we can get going into, what it is that you guys do. Awesome. Yeah. So my name is Ramsey's. I am the founder and developer of QRF Up, and I have a large team that comes from a wide set of, uh. The, the industry of either development, uh, nonprofit sector or military and first responders side. Yeah, you do have quite a large team. It's, it's incredible. How long have you guys been together or in this organization? So, believe it or not, we are a relatively young organization. We started in 2003 as a pilot, uh, and then we ended our pilot program in 2024 and we launched this year. Oh, that's incredible. So even when we've talked before, it was like end of the pilot year then, correct? I believe piloting still. Yeah. That's incredible. Well, how did this, I guess actually before we get into how, what is it that you guys do? So the way QRF functions is a veteran first responder or family member will. Push a button on our application that activates an SOS that goes out in a 100 mile radius in a text message and email, and a phone call to as many therapists that are licensed in that state under our program. Uh, once the phone call is answered by the licensed therapist, they start triaging the caller, getting to the root of the issue, getting a safety plan. Together and assessing their ideology. Uh, once they get through that and say they resolve the situation, they. Push them onto our wraparound services. However, if they need physical assistance and they need, you know, further assistance in live, uh, with a person, we will activate A-Q-R-F-A quick reactionary force comprised of peer-to-peer support specialist that will come out physically within a 100 mile radius, uh, relatively quickly. We can do it within 41 minutes and 10 seconds as as of now, uh, and get to them physically start helping them getting to like a hotel. If there's need for food or anything, we'll take'em to go grocery shopping, gas. If they need a gas in their car, uh, if they need to pay a bill, we'll take'em. You know, personally, Hey, let's pay this bill for you. We got paid and, you know, anything that really gets them off the ledge and helps them, uh, get back to rebalancing, you know, their. Stress and a lot of their system. That's incredible. And it, it hugely needed, and I feel like at least in what I've seen in the past happen is that it will be one avenue that gets taken care of. You know, like it'll be just this immediate. Mental need, or it'll be, here's money for this, or here's a list of resources. So it sounds like this is very holistic, I guess you could say, and that it reaches all the avenues, like the whole person, not just one little aspect of something they're struggling with. Yeah, 100%. So the way that it, uh, you know, it, it's different from everything that has been attempted. It's a true wraparound, um, you know, not like a bandaid approach. We, we come at it from finding a route to an issue with one of our. Veterans, first responders, or even their family members, right. We get to the root of that issue that's stressing out the whole family. Mm-hmm. Uh, you know, that keeps our, our first responder from being able to stay fit for duty or thinking about the job or a veteran from deploying and being, uh, you know, overseas or even working here at home. Uh, we find that issue. We fix that issue, and then we continue with. Other services that can help them truly maintain that, uh, you know, healthy nervous system, keeping everybody else to have good sleep, good food, good, uh, you know, physical exercise, all of it. It's a truly, um, innovative way of thinking about things instead of just a one way approach. It. And we don't like giving resources. We like taking them. We walk you in to the resource that we have. We say, Hey, this is a warm handoff to, you know. Our, our partner that we have here in Texas or California, New York, wherever we're at. That's really cool. So how did this come about? Like where did this idea come from and then how did you start it? So. Realistically, it came from a place where we all used to. So I have a, a fr a bunch of friends from a unit that I was in that we would all FaceTime each other when one of our brothers or sisters would go into this place where they would post something on fa on like on social media and say, Hey, I'm, I, you know, this is the end. I'm. I just, I'm gonna take my life. Hmm. We would all react and be like, Hey, who's near there? Who can get to them? You know? And this was all through social media and, you know, um, we would try to help through that. And I said, there's gotta be a way where somebody can hit a button. There's a GPS location that's passed out, and it tells you exactly where they're at. And we could get a therapist that talks to'em in the meantime, and then we could, if they need physical help. We'll get to them. And there wasn't, I scoured the internet for months and you know, the, all the applications online and everything. And finally I contacted a developer and we put it to, you know, he agreed to do this with us, completely free at the moment. Wow. And, you know, he gave us all of the things that we needed at the beginning and then we started developing. The pilot, we went to the pilot phase with therapist and uh, responders in the state of Minnesota. And then from there we, you know, were able to replicate this approach in other states., So how, what did you learn in the pilot program? Like, was it, I mean, assuming it's successful'cause now it's launched for real, but what were the things that surprised you? That maybe you didn't expect? Yes. Uh, so we learned a lot actually. So I would imagine when we learned that, um, you know, they really enjoy the fact that we don't activate, uh, first responders immediately. Having that choice or that ability to make that choice where to look, I'm in a bad place. Uh, I feel unlovable. I, I've done some really bad things to my partner or myself or my kids, and I need help, but nobody in my. Immediate circle wants to help me because I've burnt those bridges. Yeah. So we've learned that, you know, people will hit a button, even if they feel unlovable or those things, they'll hit the button, and as long as we go there. Sincerely free of judgment with empathy. And we're like, Hey man, I've been in your place. I've, you know, I've done the relationship things where I was not the kindest or, you know, uh, I, you know, cheated or, you know, lied to or any of those things, right? Where we we're not the best partner. And you know, a lot of the things comes from that. It's a relationship issues, financial issues, employment issues, you know, making sure that. Our brothers and sisters really feel reengaged with their sense of purpose. Uh, was one of the bigger things we learned aside from empathy and really having compassion for people.'cause sometimes we just. We don't see that they're fighting a battle because we're like, man, they're, he's in the, he's a firefighter. He's big and tough. Like, he should be able to take all that all day. Like mm-hmm. You know, why is he, why is he acting like that? Or why is he exploding on somebody, you know? Or why is that officer just so angry right now? Like, you know, he just met me today, but people don't know how many calls they've had. Right? All day long they've been taking calls and all of a sudden they get to you and you know, you maybe not been giving them the best attitude and now they're just. It's you who they are gonna take it out on because they're humans, they're not machines. Uh, and people really need to understand this, that, you know, compassion for our brothers and sisters is big. We really need to have that empathy for them to understand that they see really dark things every day, and they have to figure out a way to compartmentalize those things. And readjust and hey, push onto the next call and go back and be like, Hey, I'm happy I'm here for you. You know, I'm gonna save your life. And it just, humans aren't created to do that, you know, hour after hour after hour without some sort of decompression. Absolutely. I see that often, and I think about that even with like law enforcement or we'll see something on the news about, you know, this officer that acted this way or that way. And not that there's an excuse for it at all, but I think about like how many hundreds of other calls have they had to where they just snapped on that one and it's like just something happened or it triggered this, or something like that. So. I would imagine that having this in play, have you been able, I know this is a hard data thing to collect, but have you been able to see a difference in that, that maybe there's not as much snapping, and I'm sure there's a more psychological word than that, but see the difference in some of these situations? Yeah, the data has really shown that people will call more frequently. Right. Um. One of the things that we've learned from like the VA vet centers and things like that, that, um, a lot of our brothers and sisters feel like they are kind of asking for help and then they're being made to feel like they're begging for it, which is really hard because this tool. Again, it's free and it was created to hit that button 20 times a day. If you have to, we'll talk to you time and time again and we'll come out to get you time and time again. Um, you know, again, the thing that really helps is that anonymity behind not disclosing any type of information that happens with our calls. Uh, the ability to be able to be completely yourself and it, it's a medical professional that's talking to you and really getting you off that ledge and talking to you about like, look. It is okay to not feel okay about that call. That call really does suck and man, it wasn't, you know, it wasn't the best experience for you. Um, you know, we're gonna get you set up with a primary care physician that will go, we can give you sessions for free, you know, and you know, if you need to, maybe. We talk to that family member to make sure they understand that like, Hey, you, you really do care about their family member that maybe passed away or is in the hospital now. Because that's a lot of the things we hear sometimes is that they never know how the call ended. Right? They get'em to exactly an emergency. They get'em to the hospital and they just never see them again and they don't know what happened. So being able to do that wraparound where we're like, Hey, we can find that closure for you. You know, we can let you know what really happened at the end of that. Like we can do all those things for you and truly help you, um, you know, get closure in some aspect or resolution for some of the things that you've seen. Yeah, and I see that even in my own husband where. I would say maybe three quarters of the time, it's not necessarily something he's concerned about or thinks about more often of like what happened with that call or especially if it's a kid. I feel like those ones are always the hardest for him. Um, but we see that. Where he's like, I just don't know. Like, did we make a difference? Did we not make a difference? You know, I don't know what ended up happening'cause I don't get that final solution most of the time. Yes. And we even had that and he was acting as a civilian'cause it was at a baseball practice and one of the parents, uh, had a medical episode and he got involved and had to help them. And the ambulance came and, you know, he was, that wasn't somebody we knew, but he was up all night like wondering, like, did. Because there was also some questionable things like did they, uh, did the responding unit really handle it quite appropriately? So he was, you know, thinking all of the different things. So, you know, that's just one tiny, tiny example of the thousands of calls that they see so, so many times. So, um, yeah, and that's exactly it. Like, you know how your husband was thinking, right? Mm-hmm. That a lot of people don't understand how hard it is for. A, you know, a firefighter or a police officer, EMS worker, just any of them, to really have these nagging thoughts constantly, right? Mm-hmm. So that when we get home, you know, it's hard to decompress from that.'cause now we have something that's nagging us from work. We don't want to take it home, but we also don't want to burden our family members. Mm-hmm. And then we're trying to figure out how to balance all of it. It's really difficult. Absolutely. Even if you're in your most healthiest state and you have all the tools, like it is still very, very challenging. Yes. Um, so is your background military? So I, I was military for a while. Okay. Uh, retired from that and then I went over to firefighting for a little bit. Okay. Um, so, and then from there I went to, my last thing that really took me off from working was I was A-D-V-S-A, um, advocate for the state. And it was just not conducive to me.'cause, uh, you know, domestic violence, sexual assault stuff really does Yeah. Take a toll. Yes. I can't even imagine.'cause even there's been a few calls, my husband is like, I can't even tell you, you know, because it's just so evil. And he is like, there's just so much darkness and for us, we had to get through that because to me knowledge is power. Not, maybe not knowledge is power, but. Uh, knowledge makes me feel better. Like if I don't know something or I'm anxious about something, if I know how it works, like know the ins and outs, that helps me. And so it was a relationship issue in the beginning. Learning with this first responder world and all the different things that. Him having to repeat it or live in it is not helpful for him. And so I just had to know, if I don't know, it's okay. It's not the end of the world. I don't need to know. It's not gonna make a difference. You know, all of the different things. But in the home side, we wanna help so much that we're like, well, if we can just help you walk through it, it'll be okay. And that's not always the best solution, you know? So. Anyway, random. So very, very difficult for, yeah, for family members. And again, that's one of the things that we really do see here a lot is, um, you know, family members that it can become very tasking on the responder or the veteran or, you know, the active service members, uh, that. They have a very sometimes toxic environment at work. Yes. And then when they come home, it's uh, you know, super peaceful. So it's harder to like balance the two, you know, so it's really, um, something that we're trying to work on and getting them to understand that like, it's okay to be in a place that's chaotic and then transition into peace. Give yourself like 15 minutes before you, like, just go back into the house. Yes. Yes. That's one of the things I walk people through. We call it a reintegration strategy. Yeah. And it's like, okay, what. Is that, what are you gonna do? That's the difference between home and work. Like is it a workout? Is it a silent car ride? Is it sitting in your car for a little bit and listening to music? Is it mowing the lawn? Like what is that thing that's gonna help you transition? Because it's two very different scenarios, although our house is pretty chaotic, but it's not fire station chaotic. It's. Different kind of chaos. Well, yeah, and that's the thing, right? Like transition, it really does take about 15 minutes for everybody to transition from like, yeah, Leo firefighter back to like, I'm dad again, or I'm mom again, right? Yeah. I gotta be this parent to these, you know, beautiful children and spouse that I now have to transition. And it's, uh, sometimes it's very difficult because. You know, people want to come in and just gimme some minutes, gimme a little bit of time, and so I can adjust to my home and then boom. But it doesn't happen for everybody. That's not there for everybody, and that's one of the biggest things we encourage is speak to your family, you know? Mm-hmm. If you can't hit the button, we can all talk to you together. You know, if you wanna have your spouse on the line, they can definitely talk to us. We can help because it's, um, it's one of the biggest things is including the family. The, you know, a lot of agencies don't do that. A lot of, uh, VAs don't do that. Many, many things aren't done because they just don't want to include the whole family. And we do, we think that that's the best way to get to a successful recovery is including everybody. Absolutely. And then it probably also helps'cause I can imagine, from what I've seen in the first responder world, that it's hard for them to articulate even what is happening or why or any of the different things they're feeling. And so to have that third party person there to then help explain,'cause it's like once we know like, oh, you're not just snapping at us'cause. We're terrible humans. It's like, this is just what your brain is doing. Yes. And these are the things you have to work at. So that probably helps a ton to have kind of that third party person in there explaining just what is happening in their brain and, and how it's all now just showing in a behavior. Correct. Yeah. And. And again, the where we feel the safest is where we're definitely gonna be able to show our emotions a little easier. You know?'cause we feel safe to be able to like say, you know, I, you know, I'm not, I'm not good right now. Or like, things like that we can snap at our partners, but you know, we also have to learn that it's not their fault and they're also trying to be supportive. Yeah. You know, again, there's so many different ways that we can help. Um, that's, that's what truly makes us different than everybody else that, you know, has been there. Um, trying to help, like the VA is one of the big ones that we talk about. I know agencies really try to help, but they just can't afford it because hiring a therapist on, you know, on the forest or on a department can be just so expensive. So, you know. W being able for us to support all those departments and all those agencies, you know, getting free therapy is, is really huge. It's, it's important for them and we want to keep doing it. Absolutely. And then one of the things I've heard a lot, just kind of in talking with different first responders, their families, uh, different departments, is. That sometimes what can happen is they'll talk to a therapist, but they're really actually not a trauma therapist. Or maybe they're trauma but not first responder, and it really seems to make a big difference. So are the people that you have as volunteers, are they all trained or they can like specify like, Hey, I really do need somebody who's military or fire background or police, or they all kind of hit that. So that's a great question.'cause that is actually very specific to how we do a lot of things. So as they're being triaged, they're, you know, they are asked like, okay, so you know, you're law enforcement, uh, would you like another law enforcement officer to come out with us, you know, to talk to you? Everything that we, all our responders do not act as that capacity of their employment. They're there as responders to talk to you, like a peer support kind of thing. It's peer to peer. Yep. Okay. We're just here as peers, we're here to talk to you. There is no criminality behind it. There is no, um, type of anything that will, you know, harm you or your family. It is all created to actually help and build that trust within our communities. You can ask for anybody. You can ask for male, female, um, you know, military combat orientated, uh, you know, EMS corrections. Uh, we we're, we're integrating teachers at this point.'cause they also have a lot of traumas that they see. Yeah. So we, we can do a variety of things with it. It's very, very flexible and you know, we call it malleable, you know? Yes. It won't do anything. Yeah. Which is what you need in first responder world, you know, and all the. Variations of it.'cause none of it ever stays the same. So, well, in your background of military and then fire, and then, would that be considered law enforcement or were you working more as like a military? It was a liaison. It was liaison. Okay. Yeah. Which one was your favorite? Oh man, they're all so different that they were all, they are my favorite. Yeah. Yeah. I love them all. Specifically for what they were. Um, what would you say you liked about each one of them? And then maybe what was the hardship of each one of'em? I will say the same thing. They were all, the people in them were my biggest loves. Mm-hmm. Um, my biggest obstacles were bureaucracy in every job. Yes. Yes. And is this something you're seeing that can help kind of bridge the gap or 100%. Okay. Perfect. Yep. So that's the biggest, uh, thing that we have really seen successfully integrate into departments. Uh, we are in a lot of departments already, and we see it functioning in a very good way because, uh, it takes away the, like, the onus on the department. And it puts it back on us where they're not having to feel responsible for the outcome of some of those conversations anymore. They just know, hey, if somebody's getting help, uh, we don't really need to know the details. We just know that there is assistance for them now and they are making it through. Very cool. And when we were talking before we hit record, you had mentioned that departments like fire departments can utilize this. Yes. And so this can be something where the departments can utilize this app, like all of their employees can have it. And then is it a protocol, is it voluntary? What have you seen work well with departments? So there is a mixture of things.'cause again, uh, legality is behind how they feel responsible. Uh, so some of them are willing to take it on as a, Hey, this is a mandatory thing. If you're feeling not well hit the button. Some of them are just letting them use it as a resource. Uh, however, we do see that the ones that are doing it as a like, mandatory resource, where they're all just on a, say they just got off a call and they, you know, they get on a, on the truck and on their way back. Everybody's talking to somebody, you know, uh, they hit the button and everybody gets to talk to a therapist. They get to talk about that call and how they felt about it. It has been very successful in those departments. Their, uh, productivity, their just mental health wellness all round, and just in general how they feel about their employer being able to give them that support. Without making them feel stigmatized, like, Hey, there's something wrong with them. We need to like kick them out. Like it doesn't happen that way, at least not in those departments, but we're trying to make sure that we can do that for all agencies across the United States. Absolutely. And it can be,'cause one of the things I've heard a lot too about, you know, call debriefing is it'll happen right after the call in a group, but they haven't really processed it yet enough, or they don't know, or hasn't come up again, and then that's it. And so not every department is like that, I am sure. But that has been kind of the experience I've seen. And so with this. I think you had mentioned that they will ask them, like the therapists on the call will ask them and say, would you like continued resources? We can continue to check in. Or then three months from now, a call happens. It's similar, they can hit the button again and be like, okay, this brought stuff up. I thought I was over and I'm not, or something like that. Correct. Yep. And that's, that's essentially the main goal for this application, right? It's continuous work where it's nonstop you, you know, you are gonna experience trauma throughout your life mm-hmm. In multitude of ways. And having a button and, you know, we. We call it having a therapist in your pocket at all times mm-hmm. Is, uh, the best way to say it. And it's just, it's there for you. You know, you can just talk to them, making sure that they can get you through the process of at least getting your, again, your nervous system to a good level, so where you can process things. That's the main thing we focus on is. Recalibrating that nervous system, right? Mm-hmm. Making sure that your nervous system is relaxed again, where you can process methodically what you're going through, and then you have physical support and you know, obviously. Viral support where we can talk to you from anywhere. Right? But that's the, you have tears of support and you know that you're not alone. Uh, you know, we'll sit with you in the dark. We'll be there with you. We will, you know, walk hand in hand with you because we've been through a lot of these things and we know what it feels like to be alone. Right. Um, like I said, you know, when this application was really thought out, I wanted it to be for. You know, the people in the departments and agencies and you know, militaries that think of, I am the worst person. I've burnt all my bridges. I have no hope whatsoever. You know, I am. What people consider a monster at this point, uh, might as well just end it. And that's not true. It's never true. Like there's, there's redemption for everybody. And we love you and we want you here. You're worth it. Your life means a lot to us. You, you've been through a job that has been very rigorous and, you know, tasking on the mind, and it took a lot from you. And I want to be your brother and sister and be here for you. I never wanna let be alone. That's beautiful and incredibly powerful. You had mentioned that there, I think you'd said there's 10,000 lives that have been saved to date. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yes. To date, uh, we've saved about 10,000 lives, probably more. We just don't really keep track of them very well because Yeah. It's hard to, it's hard like to anonymity. Yeah. Yes. Uh, with anonymity comes a lot of, uh, bad data collecting, so Yes, yes. So it's, I'm sure much more than that. And this. This, um, idea or even just support for first responder, the family side, the first responders, all of it in general, is so hard to collect data. It's like you wanna prove that our ideas are good. But it's a little bit tricky. Yeah. The the biggest data we have is a phone number, right? Yes. So we just have a phone number and we're like, all that's a person we know. That's a person. Yes. Uh, it worked. They didn't do anything. So we're here for them. Absolutely. Now, one of the things I thought of as you were talking. Is, let's say,'cause this podcast really is geared towards the families. I think some first responders listen to it as well, but if there is a family member, like let's say there's a wife to a firefighter,'cause that's just my world. So we'll use that example, and they are concerned and they're noticing things and they're not sure like, is this a big deal? Is this. Like they're just getting worried. Can they push the button and talk to somebody? Awesome. And does the firefighter have to be there too, or can it just be like, I don't know what to do, should I be worried? Where should I go? So even if like, say it's, you know, a teenager that's like, you know, has a father who's a firefighter, they can hit the button. They just tell us, Hey, my dad's a firefighter. He's going through a lot. He's been really, you know, not dealing with his emotions as well as he could. You know, I just need some assistance. Okay, well, you know, we just figure out what department their, their father's out of, and then we just send them like, Hey. If you can let us talk to him at some point we're gonna get you some therapy, but we need them to let'em know that we are giving you resources so that they don't, you know, get upset about us because it's a minor. Mm-hmm. We don't want them to feel like we're just taking over what parenting roles are. Okay. That's incredible. Well, that's a phenomenal resource for the families too, to be able to even just process or ask questions of like, what is happening? Why is this happening? This is incredible. I think I've said that a hundred times already, but I don't know what other word to use. Uh, so how, like, where do you see this going? Like what is your vision for this? Like when you, now that you've seen it, it's up and running, where do you want it to go from here? So I, I, when I first started it, I just wanted to save my friends. Um, but now that I see that it's actually functioning, I want to be able to save, eventually transition into the civilian population as well. Uh, we're working really hard with 9, 8, 8 to be able to support everybody. Um, as you can imagine, the, the hardest part of that is funding, trying to make sure that we can scale, uh, as fast as we're trying to scale and support everyone, but. I see this being a global thing because it's for everybody. We all have mental health issues all around. I was just in a a seminar where. People from all over the world, were talking about mental health issues. And I just found out Korea is 29% higher suicide rate globally than anybody else. I was like, wow, that's insane. Wow. Globally, that's a huge number. Yeah. Yes. Uh, so it's, you know, it's one of those things where it's obviously a, you know, an epidemic that we really need to help save our brothers and sisters all around the world. And even here in the US it's really big for us.'cause the number coming out of the VA now is 44 a day. Wow. That's awful. It's a, it's a really big number, so mm-hmm. Anything we can do to help is what we're here for. Absolutely. Well, how can people get involved? So if maybe a therapist is listening to this or somebody who wants to be a part of peer support or funding,'cause that is, you know, like it takes money. So if somebody's like, we want to give money to you, how can people get involved? Yep. So. It's an easy way. Uh, go to qrf up.org. Uh, there's a volunteer tab. There's a sponsor tab, and then there's a donate um, okay bar as well. But you can become a therapist under our. Organization and be able to answer phone calls. Uh, there's also a volunteer option where you can be part of the team and developmental.'cause we're trying to get, essentially the team we have here in Iowa, we're trying to build in every state. And we have it in 12 of'em already. But we're trying to get every state that we live that we have people in to have a board essentially responding to people physically. Okay. And we need 107 therapists per state and. No, I'm sorry, that's the other way around. 107 responders and 14 therapists per state. Okay. Yeah. Yes. And then you have states like where I'm in, in Texas, where it's ginormous. Yes. So you might need more, a little more. We do have a good amount of therapists now, but it's hard to answer nationally with just, yeah. Those states. Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for giving us your time. It is an incredible story and very powerful for sure. And it's a motto really our family lives with is kind of two of'em. One of'em, like our whole philosophy is the send me from the Bible verse in Isaiah of like, just send me and that is exactly what you're doing. And then the second thing that we often say in our house is purpose in the pain. Yeah. And I know that there must have been a significant amount of pain that has come from your life and the different service areas that you've been a part of, but to create a purpose like this is very powerful. So thank you for what you're doing. Thank you for supporting us. And again, we are here for you guys, you know, and anything you guys need, we are here for you. Awesome. Thank you. You're welcome.

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